Generalized entropy and evaporating black holes
Combine renormalized horizon and exterior entropy, and use a controlled large-mass evaporation model without extrapolating it through the quantum-gravity endpoint.
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The question for today
What you’ll understand
- Define generalized entropy with consistent ultraviolet renormalization.
- Integrate a declared inverse-square mass-loss toy law.
- Distinguish a generalized second law from a radiation Page curve.
Hawking evaporation permits the classical horizon area to decrease because quantum stress energy need not satisfy the classical null energy condition. The natural entropy accounting therefore includes both a gravitational contribution and the quantum entropy outside the horizon. Generalized entropy combines them in a consistently renormalized quantity. Its use connects the mechanics of horizons with quantum information, but the boundary, state, and approximation regime matter. A generalized second law for a causal horizon and the fine-grained entropy of collected radiation are different questions, even when the same evaporating hole appears in both.
Renormalize the complete entropy quantity
Write dimensionless entropy s=S/kB and restore the Planck area ℓP²=ħG/c³. In Einstein gravity at leading semiclassical order, the gravitational contribution is A/(4ℓP²). The exterior term is the von Neumann entropy of the chosen outside quantum fields. Entanglement across a sharp boundary is ultraviolet divergent in continuum field theory, so neither a bare area coefficient nor an unregulated outside entropy should be treated as a separately measurable finite number.
A common regulator and renormalization prescription shifts the gravitational couplings and local boundary terms along with the field entropy. The physical combination is the meaningful object within that effective description. Higher-curvature interactions replace the simple area expression with the appropriate gravitational entropy terms; quantum logarithms and finite corrections depend on fields, state, geometry, and ensemble. There is no universal correction coefficient that can be inserted into every black hole independently of its theory.
State what a generalized second-law result establishes
Proofs of a generalized second law use definite hypotheses about the horizon algebra, quantum state, and gravitational expansion. For example, relative-entropy methods can establish a causal-horizon result for specified classes of semiclassical fields without assuming that the exterior evolves quasistatically at every moment. This is stronger than a purely reversible thermodynamic argument, but it is not a theorem about every proposed quantum-gravity theory or every arbitrary surface chosen in a numerical plot.
The entropy of exterior fields also depends on what region and observables are included. The entropy of a finite radiation subsystem can decrease as correlations become accessible in its complement without violating a causal-horizon generalized second law. Conversely, the coarse thermodynamic entropy inferred from approximately thermal quanta need not equal the exact fine-grained radiation entropy. One must identify the subsystem before comparing curves or interpreting a negative change as a physical violation.
Evaporation scaling does not determine the endpoint
For a large, slowly evaporating Schwarzschild hole, the leading temperature increases as mass decreases. Combining a characteristic area with the thermal scaling gives an inverse-square power law, with a coefficient dependent on particle species and greybody transmission. Integrating that idealized law gives a cubic mass-time relation. Thresholds opening new emitted species, corrections to the spectrum, and backreaction change the coefficient or the model's validity before arbitrary extrapolation is justified.
The formal zero of the cubic is therefore not a controlled prediction of a complete evaporation endpoint. Once curvature and quantum-gravity effects become large, neither a fixed-background Hawking calculation nor the leading area entropy gives a full microscopic evolution. Remnants, final correlations, or other endpoint proposals require additional dynamics. The useful large-mass calculation still predicts parametric heating and a shrinking classical area over its valid interval, while generalized entropy provides the broader accounting appropriate to semiclassical causal horizons.
Work it through
Integrate a declared mass-loss model
Use the dimensionless toy law above with m0=2, α=0.01, and τ=100, assuming this entire interval lies in the model's large-mass regime after the chosen rescaling. Find m, the temperature ratio, and the area-entropy ratio. Use the real cube root of five ≈1.70998.
Multiply the differential equation by m² and integrate: . The mass is therefore the positive real cube root m≈1.70998.
The temperature ratio is . The hole has heated in this large-mass model as energy is lost.
The area-entropy ratio is . This area decrease alone does not evaluate the exterior entropy or the generalized second law.
At τ=100, m≈1.70998, T/T0≈1.16961, and the area-entropy ratio is ≈0.73100; no endpoint dynamics has been computed.
The living notebook
Explore the model
Interactive lab · function
The area contribution scales quadratically with mass
For each fresh comparison, Reset and set BOTH Coefficient a=1 and Position x. Compare x=1 and x=2, predicting y=1 and y=4. Interpret x only as mass in fixed reference units and y as a normalized Schwarzschild area contribution. The graph has no radiation entropy, renormalization, mass-loss evolution, generalized second law, or quantum-gravity endpoint.
- y at chosen x
- 0.608
- Tangent slope · 2ax
- 1.35
- Signed area · ax³/3
- 0.182
This lab uses only y = ax². Playback traces the curve within the fixed integration interval from 0 to x; it does not estimate numerical error or change the chosen point. Parameter changes pause playback and recompute the model at the current elapsed time. Reset restores both parameters and returns time to zero. Playback starts paused. Adjust either parameter, then choose Play or Step.
Look forA quadratic area term can shrink during evaporation, but its value alone does not give generalized entropy.
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Check your understanding
Your turn
Try it yourself
In a consistent dimensionless renormalized accounting, a horizon entropy contribution changes from 100 to 90 while the associated outside entropy changes from 10 to 24. Compute the generalized-entropy change. What minimum outside increase would offset the horizon decrease? Would an outside increase of only six satisfy the assumed generalized second law?
Take a moment to make a prediction or work it out on paper. Open a hint when you need one.
Give me a hint
Compare total initial and final entropies for the same horizon slicing and exterior algebra; the two terms are supplied in one fixed scheme.
Compare with the solution
Initially sgen=100+10=110; finally sgen=90+24=114. Thus Δsgen=4. The horizon contribution decreases by ten, so the outside entropy must increase by at least ten to make the total nondecreasing. An increase of six would give , contrary to the assumed generalized second-law conditions. These numbers illustrate the accounting, rather than proving that any proposed field state realizes this history. Missing entropy contributions or failure of the stated hypotheses would have to be investigated before declaring a fundamental violation.
Keep the idea
Take it with you
- Generalized entropy combines gravitational and exterior contributions within one consistent renormalization scheme.
- Causal-horizon second-law claims require specified semiclassical and algebraic assumptions.
- Large-mass evaporation scaling predicts heating and area decrease without fixing the quantum-gravity endpoint.
Read further
Original sources and deeper explanations to follow at your own pace.
- Wall: A proof of the generalized second law for rapidly changing fields and arbitrary horizon slices, §§1, 2.1–2.2, and 2.8, PDF pp. 3–10 and 20–21 — horizon assumptions and renormalization
- Almheiri, Hartman, Maldacena, Shaghoulian, and Tajdini: The entropy of Hawking radiation, §§2.1–2.4, PDF pp. 4–12 — entropy, evaporation, and semiclassical scaling
- Wald: The Thermodynamics of Black Holes, §2, PDF pp. 8–10 — gravitational entropy beyond the Einstein area expression
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